Purpose of this forum

At hubzilla.org/page/hubzilla/get_involved you will find an overview of the different ways to contribute to the project.

This forum here is the right place to collaboratively discuss improvements to the user documentation, its translations, user interface translations and the creation of user tutorials.

If you are looking for support as a user, you can find the right forum at zotum.net/channel/hubzillauserssp

If you are looking for support as an admin, you will find the right forum at zotadel.net/channel/support

If you want to help develop the code, you can find the right forum at zotlabs.org/channel/hubzilla-development

Can't ask for support as admin on listed forum

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Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:32:47 +0000

SK wrote the following post Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:32:44 +0000

Can't ask for support as admin on listed forum

The top post points to the following:

you are looking for support as an admin, you will find the right forum at zotadel.net/channel/support

But when i visit the channel it seems like i dont have the permission to make a post. Can someone point out how i can ask a question there?

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Jupiter Rowland

Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:03:41 +0000

First of all, you have to be logged into utsukta.party, even if you want to post on zotadel.net.

Then you need to allow zotadel.net to set cookies.

If you have Multi-Account Containers installed, you have to open zotadel.net in the same container as utsukta.party so it can find the utsukta.party cookies.

Then OpenWebAuth will work, zotadel.net will recognise and identify your login, and you'll be able to post to the wall of the Hubzilla Support Forum.

Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:13:22 +0000

@Jupiter Rowland yes it seems like the openauth is not working for zotadel.net even though my firefox settings show that cookies are saved. Is there any other settings/addons that might be causing this.

the openauth works when i visit zotum.net and yes i am logged in utsukta.party and not using any containers while doing this.

Image/photo

Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:02:02 +0000

thankyou everyone for the help, i figured it out. If i add the channel as connection openwebauth recognizes me and i can interact with the channel.

source code that determines css files

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Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:56:41 +0000

od wrote the following post Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:56:39 +0000

source code that determines css files

Which php file(s) is/are responsible for the various stylesheets to be used in hubzilla web pages?

It looks that some stylesheets are in:
'/hubzilla/webserver/addon...'
'/hubzilla/webserver/library/forkawesome/...'
'/hubzilla/webserver/vendor...'
'/hubzilla/webserver/view/css...'

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_jayrope

Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:25:14 +0000

@od Mostly /view/theme/redbasic/css/style.css is important.

Editing this should not be done by beginners (my own opinion), and requires devtools open in browser to get somewhere.
Options missing from Hubzilla's GUI, like controlling fonts, line-height and general padding, can be taken care of in this file.
As these custom alterations can be reversed anytime there is a new HZ update, i'd recommend mostly refraining from this and instead make a proper feature request at the git.

Harald Eilertsen

Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:34:02 +0000

There's several:

boot.php calls head_get_css() which is defined in include/plugin.php
include/plugin.php defines head_get_css() but also head_add_css() and head_remove_css(). You can use these to add extra CSS files if you need in your addon or module. Search for head_add_css in the codebase and you'll find the different places stylesheets are added.
view/theme/redbasic/php/style.php is what actually generates the stylesheet for the theme itself.

Hope that helps!

Harald Eilertsen

Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:49:03 +0000 last edited: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:49:26 +0000

@_jayrope @od There's actually a couple of ways you can modify the default theme CSS without changing the original. In case you want some custom adjustments for your hub.

Add a file view/theme/redbasic/schema/$myschema.css where $myschema is your chosen name for your schema. This CSS file will be included after the default styles from the theme.

If you want this schema to be the default for your hub, create a symlink from view/theme/redbasic/schema/default.css to your custom schema file.

If you need to be able to run php code to render the stylesheet, you can add a $myschema.php in the same location, and optionally a default.php symlink to it.

_jayrope

Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:03:08 +0000 last edited: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:03:57 +0000

@Harald Eilertsen Great tip! Now i am wondering, if /schema/$myschema.css will be overwritten during a HZ update? This is the case, when having your own code inside the official redbasic/css/style.css.

I am using style.css, though, because i can add my own rules to the top, effectively saving me from having all too many !important; as part of my own rules, as the first listed rule over the later.

Harald Eilertsen

Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:04:24 +0000

@_jayrope No, these files are not in the repo, so an update will not overwrite them.

Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:02:47 +0000

file /hubzillahub.domain/view/theme/redbasic/php/style.php

The language causes confusion:

"
Now load the scheme. If a value is changed above, we'll keep the settings
"

What "scheme"?

Suppose a "value above" is:

"
$schema = get_pconfig($uid,'redbasic','schema');
"

If 'redbasic' is changed to 'customtheme' what will "keep the settings" do, keep 'redbasic' and change to 'customtheme'?

"
// Allow layouts to over-ride the schema
...
// Set the schema to the default schema in derived themes. See the documentation for creating derived themes how to override this.
"

Anyone know please where is the documenation, derived schemes?

file /hubzillahub.domain/include/plugin.php

The functions to (not) use css are there, but no details of how to amend if wanted.

The objective is to be able to write documentation about the correct procedures to use custom css file for module 'webpages'.
Thank you.

Scott M. Stolz

Thu, 17 Aug 2023 02:18:32 +0000

Are you talking about webpages made in the webpages app (i.e. /page/username/pagename), or do you mean the CSS that Hubzilla themes use?

Webpages App

If you are referring to creating pages in the webpages app, I was told that you were supposed to create blocks for the CSS if you want to add or override the default theme's CSS.

https://completehostingguide.com/article/creating-a-custom-page-on-a-channel-in-hubzilla

Themes

Otherwise, if you want to change the CSS for the entire website, you create a theme and override the CSS there.

To give you an example of how I changed the CSS in the Red Tab theme (still under development), view:

https://github.com/WisTex/Neuhub/blob/main/view/theme/red-tab/php/style.php

https://github.com/WisTex/Neuhub/blob/main/view/theme/red-tab/php/theme_init.php

In these two files, you can specify whatever CSS files you want, and even use different CSS files than Redbasic if you want. For example, I used Tabler's CSS instead of Hubzilla's Bootstrap files in the Red Tab theme.

I haven't figured out how schemas work, so if you figure that out, I would love to hear it.

But, basically, you shouldn't be editing any of the files in the redbasic theme, but instead should be creating a child theme that overrides what Redbasic is doing. When you do it that way, you don't have to worry about Hubzilla core updates overwriting anything.

Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:18:21 +0000

@Scott M. Stolz
Behaviour is requested to be understood about both the webpages module and themes, to contribute documentation.

"
...
// You can add CSS (or override the CSS in the Redbasic theme) by putting it in this file.
echo @file_get_contents('view/theme/red-tab/css/style.css');
...
"

What file is "this file"? The file 'style.php'? Excuse the simplicity but the objective is to contribute documentation for someone is not a programmer or technical author.

The extract obvious implies that if a CSS element is added to file 'view/theme/red-tab/css/style.css' but it not understood if addition makes this css file priority to be applied to the html file.

How is the css is the theme overidden (or lowered in priority to be applied to the html file)?

Scott M. Stolz

Fri, 01 Sep 2023 09:19:39 +0000

I don't know the inner workings, but I do know if you modify the contents of view/theme/name-of-theme/css/style.css it overrides the default redbasic formatting for all pages using that theme.

And I know that if you put CSS in the blocks as I described, it overrides the theme's CSS.

So I think the priority is:

1. CSS in the page itself or in a block.
2. CSS from the theme (style.css and other files).
3. CSS from redbasic (assuming the theme references redbasic CSS).

That knowledge comes from playing around with it and asking questions, mostly.

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:06:38 +0000 last edited: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:07:30 +0000

layout:
"
[template]
none
[/template]
[region=content]
$content
[/region]
"

webpage module, web page created with header:
"
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
    <head>
        <meta charset="UTF-8">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="publicwebsite.css" />
        <link rel='preconnect' href=publicwebsite.ttf' />
        <title>test</title>
    </head>
"

The public web site recognises the css and font, because it is visible on that public web site.
Attempt to use the 'webpages' module in hubzilla, the html page does not load the external css nor the external font style
Any help to understand why not please?

Ema エマ

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:22:34 +0000 last edited: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:24:08 +0000

@od put

        <meta charset="UTF-8">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="publicwebsite.css" />
        <link rel='preconnect' href=publicwebsite.ttf' />
        <title>test</title>

into a block myhead

Layout:

[template]
none
[/template]
[region=htmlhead]
[block][var=wrap]none[/var]myhead[/block]
[/region]
[region=content]
$content
[/region]

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:58:15 +0000

There is a missing quotation mark one of the lines.

link rel='preconnect' href='publicwebsite.ttf'

Attempt to use the 'webpages' module in hubzilla, the html page does not load the external css nor the external font style

If you mean font and CSS files located outside of your domain name, Hubzilla's default security will block that. It only allows you to use CSS and font files located on your domain name. This is to keep your users from messing up the website's appearance by referencing broken CSS or fonts.

There is a way to override that, but I am not sure how.

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:19:24 +0000

@Ema エマ
no success
@Scott M. Stolz
typographic error to "anonymise" url
The design decision to block external css and font seems strange; broken css and/or fonts could still occur with local files.
Until the security can be changed, the next question to ask is the correct location of css, font files for the hubzilla domain please?

Scott M. Stolz

Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:00:51 +0000

@od

The design decision to block external css and font seems strange; broken css and/or fonts could still occur with local files.

For an instance where you are the only user or you have trusted users, then it does not make sense. But if you have a public server with random people on there creating web pages, you could get some, well, interesting results. I am not sure if you are old enough to remember the original Geocities, but let's just say they let users modify everything, and it resulted into some, let's say, "interesting" designs, to say the least. It also protects against users added malicious code via an outside link.

Scott M. Stolz

Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:03:52 +0000 last edited: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:11:56 +0000

@od

Until the security can be changed, the next question to ask is the correct location of css, font files for the hubzilla domain please?

The security can be changed.

Edit .htconfig.php and change App::$config['system']['content_security_policy'] to 0 (zero).

// These lines set additional security headers to be sent with all responses
// You may wish to set transport_security_header to 0 if your server already sends
// this header. content_security_policy may need to be disabled if you wish to
// run the piwik analytics plugin or include other offsite resources on a page

App::$config['system']['transport_security_header'] = 1;
App::$config['system']['content_security_policy'] = 0;
App::$config['system']['ssl_cookie_protection'] = 1;

For adding custom files locally, you have some options.

Themes Method

If you are creating a custom theme or using a child theme, then you would place them in the following directories:

CSS: Place it in the /view/theme/name-of-theme/css
Javascript: Place it in the /view/theme/name-of-theme/js
Fonts: Place it in any folder in /view/theme/name-of-theme/ (I usually put it in /view/theme/name-of-theme/fonts but it can actually be any directory)

To give you an idea of the directories available, check out: https://github.com/WisTex/Neuhub/tree/main/view/theme/redbasic-child

Custom Files Method

If you want the font to be available to everyone on the site, you can put it in the /custom folder (or /custom/fonts or whatever subdirectory you want). Anything in the /custom folder will not be overwritten when you update Hubzilla).

If you are creating webpages using the build-in app, you may want to check out:
https://completehostingguide.com/article/creating-a-custom-page-on-a-channel-in-hubzilla

This gives you two ways to modify your website: themes or webpages. There are other ways to do this, but I think these are the most appropriate based on what you are doing.

Sorry for so many edits. The Markdown addon and BBCode fight over how to display bulleted lists, and if you edit your post, it screws it up. If you fail to notice that, you have to edit your post again to fix it.

Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:00:01 +0000

@Scott M. Stolz

App::$config['system']['content_security_policy'] = 0;

Change made, but webpage module does not recognise the css code in the block module
External css code continues to be not recognised

Scott M. Stolz

Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:57:14 +0000

Did you enabled code for that channel as described in:

https://completehostingguide.com/article/creating-a-custom-page-on-a-channel-in-hubzilla

If the administrator does not enable code, it will strip out those sort of things.

Also, CSS needs to be put in a block, and not placed in the main webpage itself.

Sat, 28 Oct 2023 18:05:53 +0000

Code has been enabled; this is evident with the ability to select additional webpage module content type such as 'php' option.

CSS code in previous post within thread (without typographical errors), placed in a block as advised by @Ema エマ post previously

Example functionality: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@font-face

Scott M. Stolz

Sun, 29 Oct 2023 07:36:37 +0000

Do you see any errors when you use inspect element in your browser?

Mon, 30 Oct 2023 22:04:03 +0000

Good suggestion.
It seems that hubzilla removes the header content, then inserts some ecmascript code. Since this is not expected nor desired, seems to be a bug

Scott M. Stolz

Wed, 01 Nov 2023 16:15:38 +0000

If it is a bug or unexpected behavior, maybe it should be reported.

Request to minimise offence: new name for hubzilla markup language

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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 10:59:46 +0000

od wrote the following post Tue, 18 Jul 2023 10:59:41 +0000

Request to minimise offence: new name for hubzilla markup language

@Hubzilla Support Forum
@zotlabs.org | Hubzilla Development

There is a module 'webpages'

In the web page 'side bar' for this module, there a separate 'help' document only for the design tool 'layouts' (/web/server/path/to/hubzilla/directory/doc/comanche.bb)

A subsequent internet search shows that this name refers to a native American tribe. This decision without any explanation seems to be dubious and potentially offensive to a global audience.

It is proposed that this markup language is renamed, e.g. 'hubzilla webpage markup language' (used throughout this and subsequent posts by this author).

The help documenation for this module has a hyperlink within the final line:

"
...
Return to the Main documentation page
"

The source code in the aforementioned '.bb' file:

"
#include doc/macros/main_footer.bb;
"
The main hubzilla documentation does not seem to have a hyperlink to the hubzilla webpage markup language page.

The hubzilla webpage markup language documentations states:

"
...
Currently there are five layout templates
...
"

In the 'design tools' §'layouts', there are no templates shown.

It is stated:

"
...

To choose a layout template, use the 'template' tag.

[template]full[/template]
...
"

There is no explanation of the context, or how, to use this command.

The hyperlink 'create' will create a new layout, but the name of the layout appears as a random string of characters.

This behaviour occurs also in 'design tools' §'blocks'.

The option to use html as a code option ('design tools' §'web pages'), in unsuccessful. Hyperlinks within the element 'meta' are ignored, then removed from the html page after it is created.

In 'design tools' §'menu', there is an option to enter the url of a hyperlink for a sub menu target. There is no description about the syntax of the hyperlink, e.g. if relative and/or absolute hyperlinks are accepted.

During the creation of these design tools, there is not option to cancel the creation process

To promote usage by participants (programmers, users, web server administrators) help is requested to provide more documentation.

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_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:41:40 +0000 last edited: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:42:17 +0000

@od I think, that the name "Comanche" for this template language originates from IBM somewhat (somebody confirm, please) - and in that regard i see the naming as a possible compliment/high-five rather than an insult.
Are you Comanche and it does insult you or has any Comanche person alerted you to this?

_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:49:30 +0000

@od https://github.com/IBM/comanche for reference. Personally i don't think, here is any offense to this. Or rhetorically put: Are we going to rename Apache servers now because of a possible offense. Who was offended, where is their voice? An offense would be sthg, that was intentionally done to offend (this isn't the case in either example) or because somebody seriously stated to have been offended. I haven't heard of either case in these circumstances, have you?

Max Kostikov

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:52:35 +0000 last edited: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:54:01 +0000

Just imagine the success we'd have if all the SJWs started committing code instead...

_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:56:12 +0000

@Max Kostikov What are SJWs?

PepeCyB

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 15:05:41 +0000

@_jayrope

Social justice warriors Social justice warrior - Wikipedia

_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 15:08:18 +0000 last edited: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 15:08:43 +0000

@PepeCyB Thanks, wasn't aware of that term :) Well, for me there's more important stuff to worry about, like better learning how and where to use Comanche at all. The few times i used it, it came in super handy.

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:03:47 +0000

@_jayrope
Please describe how you used it; want to replicate and then add to the documentation.
Also need to learn how to hyperilnk the two documents between each other.
Thank you.

_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:34:17 +0000

@od Need to find time, but yes, i can! It is summer, so mayb i am currently in chill mode :) No, shut up jayrope: Will sit down soonish and give you a roadmap description. (Sorry for the loud thinking) -> hint: it all starts by going to [yoursi.te]/pdledit - example: in [yoursi.te]/pdledit/channel you can see and alter your public channel layout (reversable) - menus from the website editor can be used with the [menu]my-special-menu[/menu] tag for instance.

Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:52:37 +0000

Various 'pdledit' files seem to exist:
/webserver/hubzilladirectory/view...iso language code...(h)messages.po
/webserver/hubzilladirectory/view/tpl/pdledit.tpl
/webserver/hubzilladirectory/util/(h)messages.po
/webserver/hubzilladirectory/extend/addon/modules
/webserver/hubzilladirectory/zotlabs/module/pdledit.php

This file seems to indicate that module 'pdleditor' is required. Then looked at the list of available modules; 'pdl editor' has the text description: "Provides the ability to edit system page layouts"

Documentation will be changed to include a statement to advise the user to install this module before using webpages module. Is it necessary if the user wants to create webpages using only html?

/webserver/hubzilladirectory/app/pdledit.apd

No programmer has yet to confirm if the ibm software is the source. If is, that would be strange decision since the ibm web site states the software to be draft status. Why use in hubzilla?

This file states the requirement of a local channel. If an account creates at least one channel bf default, why is this statement necessary?

In the 'webpages' module, 'design tools' §'layouts' the text box with grey background 'share' seems to be the area to enter commands to design the page.

command entered:

"
[template]zen[/template]
"

As soon as the left square parenthesis is entered a "pop-up" list of options appeared. This does not occur when the necessary closure tag (in example above [/template] is entered. Then 'share' text box to save creation of the template.

The module 'webpage' has no options in the drop-down menu 'page layout'.
After navigation from 'design tools' §'layouts' (when new template saved successfully) to 'design tools' §'pages', the layout 'default' _and_ the new layout becomes available to choose. The new web page changes appearance when the layout is changed. It seems necessary to have 'layout' for pages that use or do not use html content.

The next question to investigate is the location of the css directory for the html page created.

_jayrope

Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:24:50 +0000 last edited: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:25:05 +0000

@od Regarding Comanche this decision was made by Hubzilla devs in the past. I am using HZ only since March myself, so that'll be a question to dev(s).

Rearding pdledit it is part of a HZ install already, no need for extra install advice there.
The correct link to use (only whn logged in) is [yoursi.te]/pdledit - pdledit always works on the channel currently displayed (e.g. only your own, if you're not an admin), so it isn't necesary to talk about this either.
I only use pdledit in conjunction with my /hq and /channel page, so have neither experience nor advice about working with webpages in general.

Scott M. Stolz

Thu, 17 Aug 2023 03:35:47 +0000

When we rewrite the documentation, we can call it whatever we want.

COMANCHE stands for COnfiguration MANager for apaCHE.

I think COMANCHE is an old name anyway. They renamed it something else, but I don't know what they renamed it to.

I am not opposed to calling it something else.

Scott M. Stolz

Thu, 17 Aug 2023 03:37:48 +0000

Maybe just call it "Configuration Manager Markup" or something like that, since that is what it is for.

Haakon Meland Eriksen (Parlementum)

Thu, 17 Aug 2023 05:19:50 +0000

A subsequent internet search shows that this name refers to a native American tribe. This decision without any explanation seems to be dubious and potentially offensive to a global audience.

I am Norwegian, so I may be confused, but you needed an Internet search to know about one of the globally most famous and powerful Native American people, who everone else regards as common knowledge, and then without explaining yourself decided the decision to do so, i.e. naming something powerful after a group of globally recognized powerful Native Americans, seems dubious and potentially offensive to a global audience and in need of change? Wow.

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Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:28:50 +0000

_jayrope wrote the following post Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:28:49 +0000

Where again are we working on the new admin help?

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_jayrope

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:56:23 +0000

@Ema エマ https://hubzilla.org/wiki/contribute/Suggestions(20)for(20)Documentations/Admin(20)Guide mentions, that i need to go to https://hubzilla.org/wiki/contribute/Suggestions(20)for(20)Documentations(20)(28)Markdown(29)/Home to make suggestions?

Ema エマ

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:16:34 +0000

yeah that‘s right, sorry
That was meant for the case you would propose minor changes of the existing admin documentation, which is written in markdown.
If you would prefer to recreate the documentatin from scratch, you can do it in bbcode for sure (if that‘s the case, use https://hubzilla.org/wiki/contribute/Suggestions(20)for(20)Documentations/Admin(20)Guide )

Jupiter Rowland

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:31:00 +0000

Maybe instead of overwriting the current version, if you do a complete rewrite, you could submit it as an additional draft.

Desirable Features

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Fri, 07 Jul 2023 10:29:00 +0000

New Wiki

Desirable Features

Welcome to this "Hubzilla contribute" forum

Hubzilla | Contribute

Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:39:56 +0000

You want to get involved with Hubzilla? Cool! At hubzilla.org/page/hubzilla/get_involved you will find an overview of the different ways to contribute to the project.

This forum here is the right place to collaboratively discuss improvements to the user documentation, its translations, user interface translations and the creation of user tutorials.

If you are looking for support as a user, you can find the right forum at zotum.net/channel/hubzillauserssp

If you are looking for support as an admin, you will find the right forum at zotadel.net/channel/support

If you want to help develop the code, you can find the right forum at zotlabs.org/channel/hubzilla-development

Hubzilla cms problem

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Wed, 21 Jun 2023 19:20:34 +0000

Pafdex wrote the following post Wed, 21 Jun 2023 19:20:33 +0000

Hubzilla cms problem

Hubzilla social network cms upload error
Pho 8.1

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Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:46:08 +0000

Dear @Pafdex, please elaborate and ask your question at zotadel.net/channel/support which is the right forum to get support as an admin. Enjoy your time on Hubzilla!

Clone creation confusion

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Wed, 17 May 2023 16:46:35 +0000

od wrote the following post Wed, 17 May 2023 16:46:27 +0000

Clone creation confusion

At the time to write, the web site 'tiksi.net' is unavailable:

"
         Apologies but this site is unavailable at the moment. Please try again later.
         "

Tried to use the 'clone' function:

zotum.net
        login page, 'remote authentication'
            requests to enter channel address
                "
                 Apologies but this site is unavailable at the moment. Please try again later.
                "

        account created
            registration process, option to import a file or to enter credentials of channel (e-mail address, channel name, channel password, option to make new account hub the primary hub). No explanation of the results if option to be primary or not.
            If the regrestration process asks for an email address, the channel is in fact the account?
            Explanation required that the password for the account is the same for all created channels
            channel export json file fails to be accepted
            After repeated attempts, dialogue text box appears:
                "Unable to download data from old server"

Is it true that the original server of the account must be active and available at the time that a clone is created?

        In connections, someone added my new channel, with a date 2 years ago!

        In the module 'files' there exists a file dated 2 years ago, even though this account was created today

        In the 'three lines' menu, there is not a hyperlink to the 'help' documentation.

        The 'help' documentation shared on the server 'tiksi.net' is incomplete in description of correct account clone. Those that may have used successful 'clone' feature, please describe, so this may be added to the documentation.

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Maria Karlsen

Wed, 17 May 2023 16:59:11 +0000

@od When you go to another server for to create a clone, the server will ask your home server for information (which will not work if it is offline) or let you upload/import your channel as a file. This means you will have to either have that file already created and saved - or already have created that clone.

I suspect what you actually did was to create a new account, not a clone.

Wed, 17 May 2023 20:44:17 +0000

The file for the channel was created earlier and data import was not successful, because the original server is offline. The new account was created after discovery that account import is not possible.
New guidance will be written in the next version of the help file.

In a thread ( https://zotum.net/item/9aa2f3cd-5f84-4763-84de-9f97853a52bb), it is claimed that nomadic identity allows personal data to be copied to other servers. As demonstrated in this post, this is true only when the original server is available!

Wed, 17 May 2023 21:40:19 +0000

Clone creation conditions is the question. If the clone function works only when the original and new servers are accessible, participants should be aware via the documentation.

Max Kostikov

Thu, 18 May 2023 15:35:15 +0000

@tiksi@net was unusable due to some technical issues. Now everything is fixed and the hub is online.

Thu, 18 May 2023 15:49:49 +0000

Original server is active: tiksi.net
        Activated hyperlink 'remote authentication'
        channel address entered
        nothing happened.

Please someone able to give simple instructions to clone account

Thu, 18 May 2023 15:50:25 +0000

@Maria Karlsen
Please explain how to clone an account.

Maria Karlsen

Thu, 18 May 2023 17:06:41 +0000

Right now I am not sure what has happened - my last attempt failed and that need to be investigated. But I can tell you how it usually works:

You pick a hub, and register
You get an email token to confirm registration
You follow the link and watch out carefully what you click on: Create a channel is the standard option but you don't want to do that. Just below, it says import channel - that's what you click on.
You will be presented with a form that asks about your home hub, fill in that and accept.
Done.

Thu, 18 May 2023 21:19:04 +0000

Thank you. Documentation changed.

http://member_guide.bb

_jayrope

Sun, 21 May 2023 16:37:06 +0000

Wow Maria and od: Que bien!

Mon, 19 Jun 2023 09:30:40 +0000

@Hubzilla Support Forum
Remote authentication does not work when the original server that the account was created, is offline.
Scenario:
Hub 1 is primary hub where account created. A 'json' file of the data export of the account, has been created and saved. Hub 1 is now offline.
Go to hubzilla Hub 2 and select 'login'
Enter account name, 'originalaccountname@hub1domain'
Enter account password for Hub1
Unable to enter account

Maria Karlsen

Mon, 19 Jun 2023 10:31:20 +0000

@od To just log in, use your accountname without @hub.name and log in using the same password as you did when you created your clone.

Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:14:32 +0000

Have tried both options, with, without domain part of username. Unable to sign in. Login page continues to show.

For other users. Please be aware; remote authentication does not work consistently.
The option 'remote authentication' on the standard 'login' page, does not work.

Maria Karlsen

Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:20:51 +0000

@od I am sorry I wasn't clear. I meant logging in without remote autentication, just a normal login, but at the clone site.

Scott M. Stolz

Tue, 20 Jun 2023 05:32:25 +0000 last edited: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 05:34:28 +0000

It should also be noted that your username and password might be different for each website. That is because your user account is separate from your channel.

Or put another way, your user account stores your login credentials, and is unique to each website. But your channel can be cloned into multiple user accounts. As a result, the password to your account may be different on each website even though it is the same channel.

Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:12:50 +0000

@Scott M. Stolz
These statements are incorrect (self-promotion: see recent changes made to member guide documentation).
What exactly is the definition of the word "website" in this paragraph?
Scenario:
user creates account A1 on hubzilla server H1
user creates channel within account A1 (therefore a secondary entity or 'child'), C2
user creates another channel also within account A1, C3
user sign out of H1
user can sign in to H1 with user name of channel name C2, using _same password_ of account A1
user can sign in to H1 with user name of channel name C3, using _same password_ of account A1

Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:15:05 +0000

@Maria Karlsen
Has worked before but does not seem to work consistently, similar to your recent observation. Suggests that nomadic identity, remote authentication has not been tested fully when primary and clone hub servers are on/offline.

Jupiter Rowland

Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:04:50 +0000

@od To be fair, @Scott M. Stolz wasn't talking about multiple channels C1, C2 and C3 on one hub H1, but the same nomadic channel C1 on multiple hubs H1, H2 and H3.

The accounts on H1, H2 and H3 may pretty well have different passwords as they're separate accounts, even if they contain the same channel.

Of course, it's also true that all channels/identities on the same account are accessed using the same password because it's still one and the same account.

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 09:47:17 +0000

The accounts on H1, H2 and H3 may pretty well have different passwords as they're separate accounts, even if they contain the same channel.

This should not be possible. Consider:
Account A1 on hub server H1 with default channel C1 (person X with email address to register, personatsomedomain.com)

Account A2 on H2, default channel C2 (_different_ person Y with email address to register anotherpersonatanotherdomain.net

Participant must not be able to create C2 of same name as C1 because you would have un-authorised duplicate channel propagation throughout fediverse.

Of course, we do not have documenation from the programmers to describe expected and wanted behaviour.

Maria Karlsen

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:02:37 +0000 last edited: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:03:02 +0000

Let me put it lie this: Your Identity (I1) can have accounts on different hubs/locations (H1, H2, H3). The Identity will be the same for all of them. Like this:

My identity (I1) have a presence on three different hubs (H1, H2, H3). I use different e-mail and password for each of them.
My main channel (C1) is cloned to all of them.
My second channel (C2) is cloned to two of them.
My third channel (C3) does not have a clone.

Jupiter Rowland

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:05:20 +0000

@od

This should not be possible. Consider:
Account A1 on hub server H1 with default channel C1 (person X with email address to register, personatsomedomain.com)

Account A2 on H2, default channel C2 (_different_ person Y with email address to register anotherpersonatanotherdomain.net

Participant must not be able to create C2 of same name as C1 because you would have un-authorised duplicate channel propagation throughout fediverse.

What I meant was something else:

Create account A1 on hub H1.
Create channel C1 on account A1 on hub H1.
Create account A2 on hub H2.
Create clone of channel C1 on account A2 on hub H2 instead of creating a new channel.

That way, your account A1 on hub H1 and your account A2 on hub H2 can have different passwords. But you still have one and the same cloned, nomadic, sync'd channel C1 on both accounts on both hubs.

Remember that when you create a new account, you're given the choice to either create a new channel or copy/clone an existing channel. You need at least one channel on your account, but you don't have to create a new channel when you create a new account. You may just as well clone one.

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:51:21 +0000

Thank you very much both of you, for these excellent descriptions.
The critical step is to understand whether to import (clone) an extant channel. Not sure how to emphasize this importance within the 'member guide'.
The next concept to document, how to manage these channels and profiles. For example, there does not seem to be an interface for the management of clones.
How does the user view, edit clones?

Jupiter Rowland

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 22:10:11 +0000

@od There's an entry in the settings that takes you to /locs where you can manage your clones. AFAIK, it only appears when you have at least one clone of your currently active channel. The clone management is quite self-explanatory.

Likewise, the profile manager /profiles is easy to find in the menu with your profile pic in the top left corner. But I think it's only there if multiple profiles are activated on your channel. They're off by default, and the switch is stashed away under /settings/features which normally doesn't have a menu entry.

Unfortunately, I can't walk anyone through the menus step by step. As a German, I have a German UI, so I can't say for certain how stuff is labelled in English.

Scott M. Stolz

Sun, 25 Jun 2023 23:02:20 +0000

@od I guess I have mine set up differently. And by website, I mean server (i.e. with a different domain name or subdomain).

Let me give you an example. (Not real usernames, obviously.)

Server 1: example.social
Account username: frank
Password: wienerschnitzel
Channel: frank@example.social

Server 2: example.org
Account username: admin
Password: polishsausage
Admin channel: admin@example.org
Forums channel: forum@example.org
Cloned channel: frank@channel.org (a clone of frank@example.social)

The accounts "admin" on example.org and "frank" on example.social do not have the same username or password, and do not even have the same collections of channels.

Remember, you can have multiple channels on one account.

Turning NSFW into a sharp general filter plugin?

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Sat, 13 May 2023 20:22:36 +0000

_jayrope wrote the following post Sat, 13 May 2023 20:22:36 +0000

Turning NSFW into a sharp general filter plugin?

Hi, i am relatively new to Hubzilla.

I am trying to turn the NSFW plugin into a usable general purpose filter,

but am stuck with the code.
My aim is to make filtered posts look similar to this:

so that filtered words stay visible but not take much space in a stream.

By now i got this far:

As you can see this still takes way too much space. I want to replace not just the body of a post, but the whole of a post with just one line between borders, eventually preserving the original poster name.

While pondering the plugin code I'd need some expertise on where exactly the page rendering is coming from, so that i can replace a complete post as in the 2nd image with a tiny one liner as in the 1st image.

Includes in plug-in code get me nowhere familiar. The network of files that work in conjunction with an add-on is unoverseeable to me yet.

Anybody knows more or could spend 10 mins with me on this?

Thank you in advance!

_jayrope

Sun, 14 May 2023 09:43:15 +0000 last edited: Sun, 21 May 2023 16:38:51 +0000

Screenshot Mastodon: Screenshot Mastodon (with Stylus)

Screenshot Hubzilla/altered ns fw: Screenshot Hubzilla/altered ns fw

My idea is to save screenspace as much as possible for filtered posts in streams.

_jayrope

Mon, 15 May 2023 15:03:57 +0000

Please delete/disgard this thread. I will post on the devs forum instead. Thank you.

Member guide participant edit

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Mon, 08 May 2023 08:12:33 +0000

od wrote the following post Mon, 08 May 2023 08:12:28 +0000